JUDY WOODRUFF: We now take a closer demeanour during North Korea and cyber-terrorism and what a boss had to contend about it all this afternoon. It finished adult a widespread subject during today’s White House news conference.
JUDY WOODRUFF: It was a initial question.
QUESTION: And did Sony make a right preference in pulling a movie? Or does that set a dangerous fashion when faced with this kind of situation?
JUDY WOODRUFF: And an undeniable seven-word answer.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Yes, we consider they finished a mistake.
JUDY WOODRUFF: President Obama told a White House press corps that Sony is in a formidable position, nonetheless was wrong to repel a possess film.
BARACK OBAMA: We can't have a multitude in that some tyrant someplace can start commanding censorship here in a United States, given if somebody is means to dominate folks out of releasing a satirical movie, suppose what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don’t like, or news reports that they don’t like.
Or, even worse, suppose if producers and distributors and others start enchanting in self-censorship given they don’t wish to provoke a sensibilities of somebody whose sensibilities substantially need to be offended.
So, that’s not who we are.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Notably, Kim Jong-un’s name was never mentioned. But a boss clearly targeted a North Korean personality in his remarks, regulating pointedly infrequent terms like “some dictator” and poking fun during a earnest of a film involved.
BARACK OBAMA: I consider it says something engaging about North Korea that they motionless to have a state mountain an all-out conflict on a film studio given of a satirical film starring Seth Rogen and James Flacco.
BARACK OBAMA: I adore Seth and we adore James, nonetheless a idea that that was a hazard to them we consider gives we some clarity of a kind of regime we’re articulate about here.
JUDY WOODRUFF: The larger doubt for a boss is, how will a United States respond to North Korea? The conflict cost Sony Pictures tens of millions of dollars so distant and an different strike in a business position. But a named assailant is another nation, one that is famous for a unpredictable, daring troops posture.
BARACK OBAMA: They caused a lot of damage, and we will respond. We will respond proportionally, and we’ll respond in a place and time and demeanour that we choose. It’s not something that we will announce here currently during a press conference.
More broadly, though, this points to a need for us to work with a general village to start environment adult some really transparent manners of a highway in terms of how a Internet and cyber operates.
We’ve been coordinating with a private sector, nonetheless a lot some-more needs to be done. We’re not even tighten to where we need to be.
JUDY WOODRUFF: The boss pronounced his organisation has presented options for a response to North Korea and he is reviewing them, and that he is also looking during minute ideas for strengthening cyber-security. As he forms a response, a boss stressed that he sees a hazard as vicious and urgent.
BARACK OBAMA: If we don’t put in place a kind of design that can forestall these attacks from holding place, this is not usually going to be inspiring movies. This is going to be inspiring a whole economy in ways that are unusually significant.
JUDY WOODRUFF: After a press conference, Sony CEO Michael Lynton responded to a president. He told CNN: “The president, a press and a open are mistaken as to what indeed happened.” He also said: “We have not caved. We have not corroborated down.” And he added, Sony still skeleton to let people see a movie, nonetheless that theaters and home video distributors are not peaceful to uncover it yet.
He also contradicted a president. He pronounced Sony had reached out to a White House adviser. But he didn’t contend whom.
North Korea, by a way, currently denied that it was behind a attack.
Let’s try some of a many questions all this raises with Dmitri Alperovitch. He is co-founder and arch record officer of CrowdStrike. It’s a confidence record company. And former envoy Jack Pritchard, he’s been concerned with Korean assent negotiations for both Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
And we acquire we both.
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH, CrowdStrike: Thank you.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Dmitri Alperovitch, to we first.
What do we make of a FBI anticipating — and a boss referred to it — that North Korea and North Korea alone was behind this attack?
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: At CrowdStrike, we positively determine with that. We have indeed been tracking this actor. We indeed call them Silent Chollima. That’s a name for this organisation formed that is out of North Korea.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Say a name again.
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: Silent Chollima. Chollima is indeed a inhabitant animal of North Korea. It’s a fabulous drifting horse. And we have been tracking this organisation given 2006. They have been intent in a lot of mortal attacks opposite South Korea primarily and U.S. army in South Korea. And this is their initial vital conflict opposite a U.S. association that is mortal in nature.
JUDY WOODRUFF: I ask we given there were questions in a final few days about either North Korea was able of ascent this kind of attack. You’re observant they clearly were.
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: They positively are. They’re not a best cyber-power out there. They’re not as good as United States and they are not as good as Russia or China, nonetheless they’re in a second tier and they positively have this capability. And they have been regulating that capability for a final 8 years.
JUDY WOODRUFF: All right.
Let me spin now to another square of this story, Jack — Ambassador Pritchard. And that is, we know a boss pronounced that Sony finished a mistake in pulling behind a film, and afterwards we listened a greeting from Sony’s CEO. But what we wish to ask we about during this indicate is a president’s characterization of North Korea’s leader.
At one point, he pronounced — he talked about some tyrant someplace, and afterwards he talked — he seemed dismissive of a fact that North Korea has launched such a vital attack, cyber-attack on, he said, a association that usually finished a satirical comedy.
JACK PRITCHARD, Former U.S. Special Envoy for Negotiations with North Korea: Yes.
Well, series one, we consider a boss is perplexing to equivocate publicly fixing Kim Jong-un as a force behind this, nonetheless we have got to take a demeanour during a story of North Korea. It’s been led by one family, a grandfather, a father and now a son. And via a story of North Korea, any conflict on a care compulsory North Korea to respond.
So it’s not startling they did, regardless of what we might consider of a — how humorous a film is or whatnot. From a North Korean perspective, it’s an conflict on a core of their being, and it requires a response. What we weren’t prepared for is a turn and a fact it was this form of cyber-attack. But, clearly, we knew something was going to happen.
JUDY WOODRUFF: What did we make of a president’s tenure some tyrant someplace? You pronounced he wanted to equivocate fixing Kim Jong-un. Why?
JACK PRITCHARD: Yes.
You know, each time we speak about a North Korean leaders, regulating their name, it raises a hackles of a North Korean leadership. And he’s substantially perplexing to not artificially lift a tit-for-tat response between a United States and North Korea during a bureaucratic level. He’s still formulating what he’s going to do and how he’s going to respond.
So, what he doesn’t wish to do is give North Koreans a provender to advise that it’s a United States violence adult on this poor, tiny republic and some tyrant that’s heading it.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, in terms of a response, we listened a boss contend that it’s going to be proportional and he pronounced it’s going to during a time of a U.S. choosing. He’s not going to be announcing it. It will be finished behind a scenes, presumably. What are a options?
JACK PRITCHARD: Yes.
Well, we know, in simple terms, there are 3 things could be done, diplomatic, troops and economic. On a tactful side, we don’t have a attribute with North Korea. We can’t precedence something that they might wish to preserve, so that’s out.
On a troops side, anything that we would anticipate would have to have a full team-work and bargain and capitulation of South Korea, and that doesn’t tumble within a proportionality that a boss is articulate about. That leaves we mercantile aspects to understanding with.
And from my indicate of view, we consider there are substantially 3 things that a administration’s looking during right now. One, it’s a coordination, conference with a other members of a six-party talks, China, Russia, Japan, and South Korea.
I would design they’d also take this to a United Nations to kind of put it on a record in a universe spotlight, if we will. And, third, and what will indeed be a proportionality that will do some repairs to a North Koreans would be financial sanctions. If we consider behind to 2005, when a Treasury Department imposed sanctions that influenced a Banco Delta Asia, a tiny bank in Macao that usually had about $25 million value of North Korean money, it caused a good understanding of angst in North Korea that eventually led them to additional bad behavior, nonetheless finally brought them behind to a negotiating table.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And we wish to move Dmitri Alperovitch behind into it.
Now, a boss also talked about a need to work, he said, with a general village a start environment adult some kind of manners of a road. What could that demeanour like? What can a general village do?
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: Well, a initial thing we can do is inspire additional information-sharing on a indicators and a form of strategy that a North Korean regime has used, as good as a other actors that are out there. The comprehension on this organisation has been around, as we said, for many of 8 years.
If these companies that have been entrance underneath conflict from them had that intelligence, if they had used it proactively to hunt on their networks for that adversary, this form of eventuality could have been prevented. That’s a really vicious thing that we don’t have right now.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And so you’re observant a U.S. and other countries could start to emanate something like that?
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: Well, that’s right. The U.S. supervision has a lot of information. The private zone has a lot of information. You could inspire additional information-sharing, declassify some information associated to a comprehension we have on some of these bad actors and share it with a private sector.
That would be a good initial step. You could also start articulate about norms of behavior, that it’s not OK for a republic state to do this to a private company, to totally destroy a network, to take a information and trickle it out into a public, and there will be repercussions when we do it. That would be a initial good step.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Dmitri Alperovitch, Ambassador Jack Pritchard, we appreciate we both.
DMITRI ALPEROVITCH: Thank you.
JACK PRITCHARD: Our pleasure.